Mike Lee's proposal to sell off our public lands is rushed, short-sighted, profoundly unpopular, full of legal loopholes, and is not going to achieve any of its stated goals
So at this point, I am going to have to recommend that you call ski Utah, which is a trade group representing the ski industry in Utah which as I’m sure you know is one of Utah’s biggest industries. Tell them that you were planning on having a ski vacation in Utah this winter, but that you have switched to Washington state or Colorado or somewhere elsespecifically because Mike Lee sponsored this provision of this bill. Tell them you will not return to ski in Utah, which is your favorite until Mike Lee and the people associated with him are out of office. This bullshit is unacceptable.
Your proposal to ameliorate housing constraints in the west by somehow making St. Louis and other rust belt cities more desirable is a fool’s errand.
Have you walked through these available homes in this depopulated neighborhoods?
They are filled with knob & tube wiring, collapsed clay pipes, enough lead to kill a horse, and water drainage issues around the foundation that would cost more than the value of land & home.
I’ve spent my entire life in the rust belt listening to these exact same arguments. Come to my hometown of Peoria, Illinois and see the conditions of these homes.
I've spent a fair amount of time in Peoria. In any case, the larger point is that we are not running out of land. There are plenty of places for us to build that don't require public land sales.
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Meanwhile the Feds themselves are restricting use of the land by cutting staff and destroying logging and fire roads in the backcountry. So, if you can't explore that land what's the point. Does anyone believe that if the Feds "needed" to sell that land that they wouldn't sell parts of Yellowstone?
Thank you for the point by point analysis. I have to admit I’m really on the fence about this issue. I don’t live in the West and therefore don’t have on the ground experience with this issue. On the one hand I’m conflicted about vast sums of real property just being held by the federal government and not really being developed or utilized. On the other hand I fully believe you when you say that if this land is opened up it is not going to be purchased by some romantic vision of rugged frontiersman who will go forth and create Jeffersonian homesteads on it as it will be snapped up by hedge funds and other likely foreign business entities who have the capital on hand to do so. But I also think land is only valuable in the way that it serves human beings and human civilization I don’t believe in earmarking this much land as untouchable unless that truly serves the best interest of our people. Recreation is a useful and beneficial human pursuit but it cannot stand in the way of useful development when needed. I do agree the housing issue is bogus as if your correct theses lands would have been developed by previous generations if they were particularly viable without massive amounts of basically terraforming. Housing pressure could be eased by remigration and loosening of regulations and impediments to building, as well as an economy not overly burdened by government spending. I just would like the case made stronger as to why these lands should continue to be untouched and are they to be preserved like this in perpetuity or until we actually need the space to expand? I am conflicted by the notion of vast open spaces in the west with its population limited to actually owning and managing only a tiny portion of those lands. What are the alternatives to federal ownership that could be beneficial? I totally believe this bill is a get rich quick scheme by western politicians but is there an alternative?
There’s a million books, articles, podcasts, first person accounts, oral stories, and documentaries/movies detailing the decline of the rust belt.
Basically, job losses, racial tensions, widespread use of AC in the south, and a million other small issues drove people out of the rust belt and to the south/west.
So at this point, I am going to have to recommend that you call ski Utah, which is a trade group representing the ski industry in Utah which as I’m sure you know is one of Utah’s biggest industries. Tell them that you were planning on having a ski vacation in Utah this winter, but that you have switched to Washington state or Colorado or somewhere elsespecifically because Mike Lee sponsored this provision of this bill. Tell them you will not return to ski in Utah, which is your favorite until Mike Lee and the people associated with him are out of office. This bullshit is unacceptable.
Outstanding.
Your proposal to ameliorate housing constraints in the west by somehow making St. Louis and other rust belt cities more desirable is a fool’s errand.
Have you walked through these available homes in this depopulated neighborhoods?
They are filled with knob & tube wiring, collapsed clay pipes, enough lead to kill a horse, and water drainage issues around the foundation that would cost more than the value of land & home.
I’ve spent my entire life in the rust belt listening to these exact same arguments. Come to my hometown of Peoria, Illinois and see the conditions of these homes.
I've spent a fair amount of time in Peoria. In any case, the larger point is that we are not running out of land. There are plenty of places for us to build that don't require public land sales.
Turn the land over to the states and forbid them from selling to the Feds in the future.
Summary much appreciated 🙏🏻 the California national forests are where I go for sublime solitude and that feeling of freedom that’s so hard to find…nothing compares.
Meanwhile the Feds themselves are restricting use of the land by cutting staff and destroying logging and fire roads in the backcountry. So, if you can't explore that land what's the point. Does anyone believe that if the Feds "needed" to sell that land that they wouldn't sell parts of Yellowstone?
I don't see any evidence there is a possibility of selling Yellowstone over any kind of meaningful time horizon
Thank you for the point by point analysis. I have to admit I’m really on the fence about this issue. I don’t live in the West and therefore don’t have on the ground experience with this issue. On the one hand I’m conflicted about vast sums of real property just being held by the federal government and not really being developed or utilized. On the other hand I fully believe you when you say that if this land is opened up it is not going to be purchased by some romantic vision of rugged frontiersman who will go forth and create Jeffersonian homesteads on it as it will be snapped up by hedge funds and other likely foreign business entities who have the capital on hand to do so. But I also think land is only valuable in the way that it serves human beings and human civilization I don’t believe in earmarking this much land as untouchable unless that truly serves the best interest of our people. Recreation is a useful and beneficial human pursuit but it cannot stand in the way of useful development when needed. I do agree the housing issue is bogus as if your correct theses lands would have been developed by previous generations if they were particularly viable without massive amounts of basically terraforming. Housing pressure could be eased by remigration and loosening of regulations and impediments to building, as well as an economy not overly burdened by government spending. I just would like the case made stronger as to why these lands should continue to be untouched and are they to be preserved like this in perpetuity or until we actually need the space to expand? I am conflicted by the notion of vast open spaces in the west with its population limited to actually owning and managing only a tiny portion of those lands. What are the alternatives to federal ownership that could be beneficial? I totally believe this bill is a get rich quick scheme by western politicians but is there an alternative?
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This is great. I would love to hear more about why St. Louis and Detroit are vacant. That seems like something we should really understand.
There’s a million books, articles, podcasts, first person accounts, oral stories, and documentaries/movies detailing the decline of the rust belt.
Basically, job losses, racial tensions, widespread use of AC in the south, and a million other small issues drove people out of the rust belt and to the south/west.